Tuesday, April 03, 2007

Mormons...What's the Deal?


Or more specifically, what's the appeal?

I Don't Get It
I know I'm biased when it comes to evaluating the Latter Day Saints (LDS), or any religion for that matter. But I can't understand what would possess someone to join this odd religion.

As part of full disclosure, I have a gay friend who grew up in a Mormon household. When he realized he was gay, they went to extensive measures for about a decade to cure him of this sickness. Including incessant counseling (that sounded a lot like brainwashing), deprivation of food and sleep, and even "aversion therapy" such as attaching electrodes to his genitals and trying to shock the sickness out of him.

I also find the LDS folks who come to my door irritating.

All that being said, even if I try to see their religion from a purely pragmatic perspective, it just seems odd. The creation of a religion by peering into a hat, all the way to magic underwear. Add to that the hypocrisy of things such as their aversion to caffeine, except for Coca Cola, which the LDS organization used to own a lot of stock of.

I'd love to hear from someone who converted to Mormonism, so I could understand what would have someone come to that kind of decision.

Current Knitting
Most of this weekend was spent working on spinning and test plying (see below), but I did get some knitting done on the right-front of the colorblock cardigan.



Like a lot of full-size sweaters, I know I will have to force myself to finish the sleeves on this garment.

Current Spinning
I finished spinning two bobbins of singles using the multi-color merino.



I pulled down a bunch of old very fine merino singles I had done a year or so ago, and decided to try test-plying each of these colors with the two multi's.



Here are what each of the test plies ended up looking like.



The first one (from the left) is just the two singles by themselves. The next one is the bright red, then green, then deep plum.

Any preferences based on what you can see on your monitors?

Readers' Comments/Questions
Angie Cox writes, "On a Google search I found a sweater you made in 2005 .It wouldn't open the page or enlarge the image. It is a patchwork of Scandinavian patterns. I really loved it , would you be able to say which month it is featured in the archives?"

I looked through all my 2005 sweaters, and I couldn't determine what you meant by Scanadinavian patterns, so I don't know what sweater you're talking about. Was it a pullover or a cardigan? Was it multi-colored or single? Unfortunately, when blogger converted to the new format, they blew away all my archived pictures. I still have them stored locally, and I'd be glad to post any that you can help me identify.

"K" writes, "I personally can't stand chocolate brown and pale blue together. I hereby ban that combination forever."

Shortly after reading your comment, I ran into someone wearing that exact combination of colors. It was great, but it didn't look awful either, but it did make me laugh.

Anonymous writes, "To avoid confusion, I will adopt a pseudonym, Sofi, for future comments."

Thanks, a name and presumed gender make it a lot easier to reply to comments.

94 comments:

Carol said...

Geez, Joe, after looking at your plying, have you ever thought about reading some books on color theory?

Carol said...

Oh yeah, and if you can find a conversion to Mormonism, can you please get someone to explain what the deal is with the talking white salamander?

If you've ever seen the South Park where the Mormon neighbors move in, you will see that many share your perplexity at this religion.

ted said...

My suggestion about the plied jobs is to knit them up, or weave them, crochet, or whatever you hope to do with it, and see what you get in the fabric. The colours will redistribute themselves when they're worked into fabric, and that will change the effect the colours produce. (That said, I like the yarn on the right.)

Cece said...

I have taken to making my sleeves first - somehow that makes the whole 'adult sleeve-making suckage' suck less for me.

Marilyn said...

I like the second from the right.

Mormons. Hmmm. My eldest daughter, Jenn, converted to Mormonism before her first marriage. Did it because her husband-to-be was a converted Mormon. Needless to say, they didn't stay bound for life. Now she's a Wiccan.

callie said...

I like the plum one.
I am also interested in hearing from a Mormon. I know there was a nun in my religious community who got married to a Mormon. She had to become a Mormon, but she eventually left her husband (and children because she abandoned Mormonism) and became a nun.

Lynne E. said...

That's a real horror story regarding your friend's experience in growing up Mormon. As for religious conversions, it's important to remember that they don't have to be rational, because they are a matter of faith.

I really love the look of the multi-color brown singles on the bobbins! I don't care for any of the sample combinations, because the dark red, teal, and navy plies overwhelm the rather sophisticated multi. There's nothing wrong with combining brown with color, of course, as long as it isn't brown and pink! :D

Jan said...

Okay, I guess I'll be the first person to come out re: Mormonism. (I'm already an out lesbian.) I became a Mormon for a couple of years when I was in my twenties (the late seventies). I grew up having no idea what a healthy family looked like. I was isolated and desperately lonely. The Mormons took care of each other -- I had not had the experience of anyone taking care of me. They claimed that there was something positive within me at a time when I felt too broken to believe there was any good in me. It has been my impression that the groups that grow through proselytizing are successful because there are so many lonely people in the world. In the 90s I was a Unitarian for a number of years, but I've become disillusioned with organized religions. My spiruality is intensely personal. Oh, and one more thing -- I love your colors!

angie Cox said...

The garment I love is a sweater with a rolled red rib bottom ,then navy patterned squares , next red and a bright green at the top .The collar is a roll . It could be Japanese patterns , tiles or Scandinavian traditional .The picture is very small .Anyhow it is lovely.
As for Mormons , they drive me crazy knocking the door . They don't annoy me quite as much as Jehovah's Witnesses who have predicted the end of the World so often I am obviously in Heaven /Hell already .My husband had a friend who converted and it has always seemed to us that he needed to belong to something , was lonely .He has left now and is quite convinced they are a dangerous cult . It certainly sounds like they are quite capable of abuse and some sort of hideous "beating the devil out" practices.

Sherry W said...

Any stranger who comes to my home, knocks on my door and wants to talk about something as personal as faith is on my sh*t list. Can you imagine if someone came to your door and wanted to discuss your finances or sex life?

Besides a sense of belonging, I think members of religions who perform extensive proselytism need to feel superior about something. "We are the chosen ones, God has shown us the one true way". Sure, your group and many others.

Fredda said...

The colors on the sleeve look great; it's the clearest picture yet. I remember that "duh" moment, many years ago, when I realized that sleeves were not the "little things at the end", but rather almost like knitting another third-half.

Although I'm not a spinner, from my monitor, the green looks best.

BTW, I think that Angie may be referring to your High V-Neck Patterned Pullover.

Seanna Lea said...

I personally like the bright red and plum, but I know nothing about spinning (two spindles and some mutilated fiber can attest to that).

Is there a specific goal (color or pattern-wise) you are aiming for with this plying test?

Julie said...

I read your blog and I am a little confused....peering into a hat? talking white salamder?? Magic underwear....???

I am a converted Mormon, the only memeber in my family. I think it is funny because people have such a weird sense of what the Mormon religion is about!

I would be happy to share my story but it is really short. I started going to church with my father after we had gone to many different churches trying to find something that felt right, something that made sense. I read the Book of Mormon, I was taught by the missionaries, I did a lot of praying and thinking and analyzing and I got my answer...this is where I belonged. I didn't get married in the temple and I am not very active in the church right now (I blame laziness) but it something that I have never doubted, something I always knew I belonged to.

If anyone has any questions just let me know I would be happy to try and answer them....

Again peering into a hat? I have never heard that one.

Julie

M-H said...

I often knit sleeves from the top down - that way they get smaller rather than larer as you go. It seems to elp.

M-H said...

And... I'm the first to wish you happy happy ahppy and many more returns!!!

RoadSide said...

I dated a guy who was brought up Mormon...oh my, the stories. I guess it's one of those religions where the longer you're in it, or the higher you climb up the ladder, the more "secrets" you get to learn. His father was a Bishop(?) so he was party to a lot more than your average run-of-the mill mormon was. Some of the things he would tell me about were shocking, especially to know that he went through them as a child. Mesa, Arizona is a large Mormon community among others, many of the Mormons living in these towns are business owners and dont seem to have a problem selling caffeine, alcohol, tobacco and porn in their grocery stores and other shops. Its very disturbing....

*** hunzer *** said...

Yo Joe ~ You don't me. I don't know you. But I wanted to wish your ass a HAPPY BIRTHDAY...even if it's a day early. I have three children under six and if I don't wish you a happy birthday now, it's not ever gonna happen.

Happy Birthday! (Yeah, I read it on the Curms blog)

Anonymous said...

Count me in as someone who doesn't like your colors. That colorblock sweater is too flamboyant for me. Would never wear it. But I'm glad there are people who would. Makes this world a more interesting place. Also gives me some fun while people watching.
Fred

nicole said...

Happy Birthday!

I'm in germany, before Mrs. Merkel was elected everyone here said we're not ready for a female chancellor, I guess they were wrong ;-) Of course our elections are different, we don't elect the chancellor, we elect people who do that for us, kind of thing. Still, I think anything might happen in the US political campaign, not many thought Bush would make a second round and he still did :-/

good night!
nicole

Sharon said...

Joe, have you plied and swatched the two multies? I'm betting that would look wonderful. (Of course I dont know how much you have.)

Now I'm going to go enroll in the remedial color theory class since I love brown with both pink and blue...but mostly RED! OH yeah!

Have a Great Birthday Joe!

Lisa said...

I agree....what's the appeal of the Mormon Church....

Hey Joe, Happy Birthday....

Becky in Iowa :O) said...

Happy Birthday! Hope you have a wonderful day.

Birdwell said...

I love reading your blog (you are very talented and have a great sense of colour and patience!) and I wish you an early happy fun birthday.

I happen to be a Mormon, but I am not a convert...I was born into the Church, although my Mother is a convert as well as my Step Dad, however my bio-father's side are Mormons way back to the pioneers that first came to Utah from Wales and England in the 1860s. I did marry a non member so I do understand where the weirdness factor comes in. And I have spent several years out side of the Church as well--I have not been insulated. Most of the wild rumours just aren't true--they are either completely made up or mis understood truths--things taken out of context. There are many many people that hate Mormons just as much as they hate homosexuals.

Like Julie said...white salamanders??, peering into a hat?--and the underwear isn't magic it's clothing worn under your clothes that are sacred and special just like prayer shawls are to jews.

The real problem with the Mormon religion is like any other religion-it's the people. People aren't perfect and they tend to screw things up all the time. People in all walks of life tend toward the narrow minded side of life.

Personally--I don't believe homosexuals go to hell, or are sick, or need to get over their gayness--it's how you were born. I believe the word of wisdom (no coffee, tobacco, alcohol) to be correct if applied right. Ingesting substances that forfeit the control YOU have over your body are damaging to your body and your soul.

Mormonism at it's core is about choice and accountability. The Church leaders (our Prophet) has never said YOU SHALL NOT ever drink caffeine, but many people have interpreted stray comments about not drinking coffee to also mean oh no caffeine too. We are allowed to interpret the laws as we see fit and apply them to our personal lives in limited ways. But we are never allowed to demand others do things just our way.

Are there abuses, YES just like in every other religion and organization. Be it Catholic, baptist, boy scouts, or the YMCA.

I hope I cleared things up and didn't muck things up.

Cheers.

Birdy

rach said...

Maybe this is just my monitor, but I think it might actually be your flash. It looks like you plied with white yarn. Your last batch of multi colored merino was like that for me too. I had no clue how dark it was until you posted washed, finished skeins.

Jean said...

Happy Birthday, Joe!

ginchy said...

Happy birthday Joe.

I like the two on the ends, the singles plied with themselves, and plied with the deep plum. It is hard to tell on my monitor though, the multicoloured merino is very washed out!

anne marie in philly said...

happy happy birthday, joe!

may you have a wonderful day!

Laurel said...

Happy Birthday!!! Hope you have a great day and an even better year!

Mormonism... don't get it, don't want to. And I like the plum-plied yarn best.

Anonymous said...

Aha, a miracle! You could start a new religion! There is no possible way that the singles on my monitor could have produced the test plies on my monitor. Perhaps this explains your miraculous (or ridiculous) color sense :) ? So I can't weigh in on the plies, but agree that knitting them may help you decide.

Happy birthday!

rosemama

Natalie Servant said...

Happy Birthday Joe. I'm a frequent reader & infrequent commenter. There's nothing wrong with your colour sense, especially if you love your results. Me, on the other hand, I've reached the half way point on a 2-colour blanket & hate the results. I'm waiting for inspiration to strike to figure out how to fix it.

Cara said...

Happy birthday!

I knew a couple of Mormons in high school, and my biggest issue was that their mother was wound a bit tight, like if her kids weren't going to have fun she was going to make no one else's kids did either. Very active in the PTA. Her son (football star) got kicked out of BYU for wild behavior, as I recall.

But it was Mormon Football Star's younger brother who told me some weird stuff about 'what Mormons beleive', a Jewish friend and I listened in disbelief as younger bro and a girl Mormon in our class told us how God has a wife (or a female god girlfriend), but he won't let her name be mentioned because he doesn't want her name abused like his has been. That part stood out for me, but tehre was more that Sarah and I just listened to in amazement.

I have since then known a few Mormons, both lapsed and active, who were very nice and seemed level-headed, and I respected them, despite my thinking the religion is a bit flakey. I don't know about the hat and talking salamander, and if its true its the sort of thing current leaders keep quiet, the way modern Catholic leaders don't talk about married Popes and paying for absolution.

As for color sense, I'm planning to make a hot pink and deep red tank top for my daughter, a combination my mother might have grounded me for wearing.

Norie said...

Dropped by to say Happy Birthday
(and not because Marilyn told me to!)

Judith Rosa said...

Happy Birthday, Joe. May you have many, many more.

PS I don't understand religious people either.

Norskybear said...

Happy 40-something Birthday, Joe! Hope to see you again some day soon.

Joan said...

I figured that after all the pleasure I get from reading your blog, the least I could do was delurk to wish you many happy returns.

Gauss said...

Happy birthday, Joe!!

I don't think I am crazy about any of the plied colors, sorry... on the other hand, maybe it's just the picture.

Liz said...

I like the two choices on the right hand side, but truly I think Navajo plying the singles would really make them pop in a way that adding other colors to enhance the tweedy character won't. The red makes it look WAY too pink for my taste...

HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Lynne said...

Hippo Birdies Two Ewes!

Wishing you a wonderful birthday.

Marilyn said...

Happy Birthday, my dear gay brother. I hope you have a half-decent day, given that you have to work.

Here's to celebrating madly when you get back to PA on Friday.

ted said...

Happy Birthday, Joe. Hope you have a great celebration on the weekend.

Deborah C. said...

Happy birthday from a frequent lurker/infrequent commenter! I would love to see the multicolor merino self-plied, as I'm not crazy about any of the color combinations, but it could be my monitor, also.

Lynne E. said...

Happy Birthday, Joe! Make it a great day.

Anonymous said...

happy birthday

J9 said...

Happy Birthday!

k said...

Mormons have that really neat church, with the REALLY BIG grasshopper in a glass case.
Okay, I was, what? 8? It's a religion. It's what people do, sometimes. The underwear, while weird, does sound as if it's there to help reinforce self-respect.
The samples look odd to me, too.
But Happy Birthday, anyway.

k said...

It's interesting, your comment about presumed gender. We should all meditate on that one for a while.

FiberQat said...

Happy birthday, Joe!

Seanna Lea said...

Happy Birthday!
誕生日おめでとう。
(translation) Congratulations on your birthday.

Robin C said...

Hi Joe,

I vote for the purple combo. It looks like it goes together better with the other colors.

Love your work, read your blog just to get inspired.

Robin C
Richmond VA

Emma in France said...

Penblwydd Hapus!

The thing I really hate about most religions is the hypocrisy. I have more respect for Quakers and Buddhists than any others. And maybe Bahai'i if I ever get around to finding out exactly what it's all about.

Anonymous said...

I read your blog often but this is my first time commenting. I am Marilyn. Not the Curmudgeon however. First off. Happy Birthday! Second I like the first one from the left the best. I don't play into the color theroy thing either.

Beth M said...

Happy Birthday, Joe! I lurk about your blog, enjoying your knitting and various other insights. Thought today would be an appropriate day to pop my head out and say, "Hello!"

Spike said...

Hippo Birdie! We're birthday twins!

I like the plum best, then the green. The singles by themselves look more muddy than tweedy. Perhaps, as another poster suggested, Navajo plying would help preserve the colors better.

Spike

Anonymous said...

Happy Birthday, Joe!
I am reading a strange, but compelling book about the Mormons, "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Krakauer. As they said on Laugh In, 'very interesting, but stupid'.
Leslie

Pamela said...

I just wanted to wish you a Happy Birthday, Joe. As for the test plies, I prefer the one on the right, the deep plum. Happy Day!

Samina, longtime lurker said...

Happy birthday, Joe. You've not posted yet today 4/4, so I'll leave my good wishes here.

Samina, longtime lurker said...

Happy birthday, Joe. You've not posted yet today 4/4, so I'll leave my good wishes here.

Anonymous said...

Happy Birthday and many more happy days of knitting anything, any color that you want. Like the old song says "Ain't no body's business if I do"
Basically, I knit for the pleasure it gives me and if someone else likes it fine and if not even better. I won't have to fend off comments of "Make me one, too."
My experience with religion is mostly all are negative and start out with "You suck so you need my God to fix you." Well, thank you, but no thanks the God of my understanding likes me already.
I really meant to just say thanks for your blog and Happy Birthday.
Katrina

Bridget said...

Dear Joe, Happy Birthday! Carol said we had to leave you a note, and that you need to study the color wheel.

However, as she is not the boss of me, please know that I would leave a Happy Birthday wish, whether or not a megalomaniac like her threatened me. Because I do enjoy your blog.

Re: Mormons. My husband used to have a boss that was a Mormon bishop. Once a year, he had the office staff and their spouse equivalents to his house for dinner. Which was nice. Especially because office staff members were supposed to contribute - and not a covered dish. Nope, stuff like singing, dancing, you get the picture. It warmed my heart, since I only had to show up and snicker. Good times.

Enjoy your day.

P.S. Please send cake!

Kendra said...

Happy birthday, Joe!

Lucy said...

Happy Birthday! I enjoy your blog very much and I love your color sense as well! Color wheel, shmuller wheel.

Suburbaknitsta said...

happy birthday joe from one 4/4 birthday person to another!! ;)

mish said...

happy birthday!!

Jo in Boston said...

Have you read Under the Banner of Heaven? Part true crime part history of the Mormon church. Fascinating. Weird.

Kathy Merrick said...

I like the red, Joe. I like the red.

Susan said...

And, once again, Happy Birthday! Jo in Boston beat me to it, but I would also recommed the Banner of Heaven book, specifically for the history of the Mormon Church.

Mel said...

Is it true what they say about you being a hits whore? Many happy returns of the day. I just checked, and your package is in Horsham, PA, and on time for delivery tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

You are trying to look at Mormonism (is that a word?) in a rational way. The point about all religion/s is that they are about pure blind faith and therefore not rational.

All the major religions - or should I say, the leaders of all the major religions - (in the historical sense) have committed great sins and misdemeanours and gave behaved in ways that most of us would consider irrational.

There are very few people, IMHO, who are/have been worthy of leading any of the great religions.

The person who started the LDS church was, IMHO + a BA Honours in Sociology and Psychology, was suffering from a major mental illness at the time + delusions of grandeur.
Some would argue that adherence to religious practice is in itself a form of mental illness!
I actually believe that adherence to the 10 commandments or the main tenets of ALL the major world religions in that they all have certain beliefs in common, is a Good Thing. It is the people who head them up who tend to be 'Bad'.

mindy said...

Happy, happy birthday- hope its a great one!

Joe in Indiana said...

Happy birthday from one Queer Joe to another.

Geraldine said...

All those samples look pink on my monitor, which just goes to show... However, with those multi singles I would heve either navajo plied them or picked one colour from the mix and used a single of that colour or perhaps black or dark cream to ply with. As someone said before, the multi singles are rather sophisticated and to me the more naeve coloured singles clash to the detriment of both. Could just be my monitor though. And yes they will look different knitted up.

I agree sleeves suck. I like to do both at the same time if I can, it seems easier, but right now I have just started the sleeves on a cable style cardigan and I can't do both at once, too heavy, and I now remember why I hate this particular pattern. It is a nightmare making two cables up the centre of the sleeve and at the same time fiddling with the increases at the underarm. If you make a mistake it doesn't become obvious until you have gone past it by several rows and then it stands out like a sore thumb. I am not going to challenge you to a race to finish though, 'cos I know I would lose!

Not to worry about the B'Day, the main thing is to have a great day on all the other 364 days. I'm sure you will give it your best shot!

Kate said...

Happy Birthday Joe,
hope you have a great day.

Grandma Flea said...

Happy birthday for the 4th, Joe (the 4th over there, is the 5th over here). Party hard and knit up a storm. I love the jumper.

Leanne said...

Happy Birthday, Joe

Judi said...

Happy Birthday! I read your blog with interest and usually find something challenging to think about.

I have lived in many places during my rather nomadic life and experienced many cultures/religions/languages. I know a lot of born and bred, converted, lapsed and non observant Mormons. They are pretty much like any other culture/religion, some folks are nice, some are hypocrites, some are just nasty, but I am sure you know that already.

As for WHY anyone would convert, Mormonism is not any weirder than a lot of other beliefs, just out of the mainstream in the US.

JayFlow22 said...

I thought you'd like to know that while I don't know much about knitting...I do know much about my Faith.
Faith is not irrational...and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is definitely the only true and living Church on this earth.
You may find happiness outside the Church, but not a fullness.
I have much more to say...I have 3 blogs posted with more on the way.
Read them...comment on them in you have any questions about my Faith.
I'm sorry about your friend and the electrodes...that was weird parents, not the Gospel of Jesus Christ that prompted them to do that.
Also, I assume it's your birthday...so Happy Birthday

Wily Jeneric said...

Hippo birdie to ewe! Rain means luck, right? So you're off to a lucky start for the next year of knitting, spinning and fiber misadventures.

Carla said...

Happy Happy Birthday!!

ellen said...

Happy birthday Joe! It must be lovely to be 35 (again)!

Franklin said...

Happy Birthday to You,
Happy Birthday to You,
Happy Birthday to My Blogging Inspiration and Hands-Down Favorite Underpants Model,
Happy Birthday to You.

And many moooooooooooorrrrrrre.

xoxo
Franklin

Kit said...

Happy birthday and may you have many more.

Misstea said...

Delurking to say happy birthday, Joe.

I'm staying away from the discussion of religion. There are so many more fun things to talk about.

If it were me, I would not ply the bobbins with the other colours. But then again, I'm not known for my "colour sense" either.

I just wear the colours that I like and flatter me, and call it good enough.

Anonymous said...

Oh happy birthday, oh happy birthday...

Children starving everywhere, the smell of death is in the air...

Oh happy birthday, oh happy birthday...

AmyS

mehitabel said...

First, happy birthday! Second,on Mormonism, I would suggest reading The Poet and The Murderer by Simon Worrall--it's fascinating. About a forger who even counterfeited "sacred" Mormon documents, and gives a lot of the history of the church (explains about the hat, the salamander, etc). Also lots about Emily Dickinson. Like I said, a good read! (If you were in SoCal I'd lend you my copy!)

Kathy said...

Gosh; I wish I had time to read these 84 comments before making my own...great readership you've got here.

Wanted to say that I also find Mormonism quite bizarre and have done some reading about it, initially quite by accident. An account of the life and execution of Gary Gilmore, written by his brother Mikal (Shot Through the Heart) provides a lot of history of the Mormon church. I think it will serve MOSTLY to increase your curiosity rather than satisfy it but boy does it make for an interesting backdrop to an amazingly difficult story.

knitguyla said...

Happy Birthday Joe! It's 11:46pm here on the west coast so I'm getting in under the wire, sort of. I hope you had a great day and celebrated in style. Many more. Joseph

Ann said...

My father was raised Mormon in southern Idaho, then excommunicated THEM (with great glee) after his mother died in the mid 1980's. According to him, the best part of being a Mormon was being able to use the gym during the harsh winters. Other aspects of the Mormon church I saw during my own childhood make me wonder, especially the stingy financial support for needy members and the drive toward overpopulation.

Happy birthday, a day late...

steel breeze said...

Happy birthday for yesterday! Sorry, I'm a slacker! :)

Not going to get into religions, except to say, a lot of religions seem to be about us-and-them-ism - if you don't join our club you're going to hell. Seems to be an excuse to be horrible to each other. I believe in God, being a good person, and doing my best. I don't believe in religion!

steelbreeze aka Jane, posting from sunny Birmingham, UK

Leslie said...

Happy late birthday, Joe. At least I don't owe you anything so I'm only a day late, not a dollar short.

I know nothing about mormonism. As a UU I accept there is a creator or force somewhere that keeps gravity in its place and the internet working. This force also makes it possible for me to enjoy and learn from you, so thanks!

angie Cox said...

Belated "Happy Birthday" ,wonder if you got yarn gifts?

Anonymous said...

Another draw for the LDS which hasn't been mentioned here is the fact that they ban alcohol. Plenty of converts have been running away (emotionally if not literally) from alcoholic families, hence the appeal of prohibition. A large percentage of Mormons, in fact, must be genetic alcoholics, who even if they never try drugs may be prone to alternating impulsive and rigid behaviors. Which explains why many people seek out and then cling to cults. . .

Angie H said...

Happy happy late birthday from someone who reads your blog ALL THE TIME and who should have commented long before this!

My boyfriend was raised in the Mormon church, doesn't believe in any religion of any sort now...but he will defend the kindness and loving behavior of the Mormon people to the death.

My not-in-laws are avid church-going LDS; and they do have a bit of the hocus-pocus factor. The underwear is supposedly to help with being protective of one's sexuality according to mom-not-in-law. The issue of secrecy really gets to me though. I don't get a religion that requires years of my time and devotion before they tell me what's really up, but to their family it's normal and accepted. It's a matter of what we grew up with I suppose.

What I'm sure of: the LDS we have met and hang out with are some of the kindest and most generous people I've ever met...even though I have made it abundantly clear I'll never accept their faith for myself. They have shown nothing but love with no attempts at conversion to my openly gay son. I've been blessed in that our friendships cross religious, sexual, racial and economic borders with ease in my neighborhood.

Canadian said...

What bothers me about Mormons is how they try to present themselves as mainstream Christians, when their theology is totally outside of the bounds of orthodox Christianity. I mean, different planets having different gods? God the Father having been once a man on another planet? God having a physical body? God being three distinct beings rather than a Trinity, one god in three persons? Not believing that Jesus is truly God? Humans going to be gods of their own planets? Sorry folks, this just isn't Christianity.

varun said...

nice range!!Shawls and Scarves